Discussion:
Large Flaw in Kingsoft Office Writer!
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Juan Wei
2014-02-10 17:39:59 UTC
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If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.

If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!

Kingsoft Support says,

"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not to press
Enter key.

"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is a
solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.

"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We will
consider adding this feature in the future."

Don't press Enter!!!! Really????

================

I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit [Space] and
then [Enter].
Roger Mills
2014-02-10 18:34:53 UTC
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Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
Kingsoft Support says,
"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not to press
Enter key.
"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is a
solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.
"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We will
consider adding this feature in the future."
Don't press Enter!!!! Really????
================
I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit [Space] and
then [Enter].
Doesn't sound life-threatening!
--
Cheers,
Roger
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Please reply to Newsgroup. Whilst email address is valid, it is seldom
checked.
Juan Wei
2014-02-10 19:22:15 UTC
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Post by Roger Mills
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
Kingsoft Support says,
"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not to press
Enter key.
"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is a
solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.
"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We will
consider adding this feature in the future."
Don't press Enter!!!! Really????
================
I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit [Space] and
then [Enter].
Doesn't sound life-threatening!
Did I say it was life-threatening?

And if I don't hit Enter, how can I continue editing the document?
Big Al
2014-02-10 19:44:38 UTC
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Post by Juan Wei
Post by Roger Mills
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
Kingsoft Support says,
"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not to press
Enter key.
"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is a
solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.
"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We will
consider adding this feature in the future."
Don't press Enter!!!! Really????
================
I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit [Space] and
then [Enter].
Doesn't sound life-threatening!
Did I say it was life-threatening?
And if I don't hit Enter, how can I continue editing the document?
Hit a few returns and then up keys to get to the line, enter a lot of
underscores and then hit down.
Juan Wei
2014-02-10 20:08:19 UTC
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Post by Big Al
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Roger Mills
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
Kingsoft Support says,
"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not to press
Enter key.
"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is a
solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.
"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We will
consider adding this feature in the future."
Don't press Enter!!!! Really????
================
I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit [Space] and
then [Enter].
Doesn't sound life-threatening!
Did I say it was life-threatening?
And if I don't hit Enter, how can I continue editing the document?
Hit a few returns and then up keys to get to the line, enter a lot of
underscores and then hit down.
As soon as I hit Enter/Return, the ________ changes to a Paragraph Border.

I hit 5 Enter/Returns, the 5 up arrows and typed ___________

So now I have both the underscores and the para border!
Big Al
2014-02-10 20:15:12 UTC
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Post by Juan Wei
Post by Big Al
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Roger Mills
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
Kingsoft Support says,
"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not to press
Enter key.
"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is a
solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.
"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We will
consider adding this feature in the future."
Don't press Enter!!!! Really????
================
I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit [Space] and
then [Enter].
Doesn't sound life-threatening!
Did I say it was life-threatening?
And if I don't hit Enter, how can I continue editing the document?
Hit a few returns and then up keys to get to the line, enter a lot of
underscores and then hit down.
As soon as I hit Enter/Return, the ________ changes to a Paragraph Border.
I hit 5 Enter/Returns, the 5 up arrows and typed ___________
So now I have both the underscores and the para border!
I didn't say type _________________________ and hit enter.


Obviously you can't follow directions.
Juan Wei
2014-02-10 20:20:51 UTC
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Post by Big Al
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Big Al
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Roger Mills
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
Kingsoft Support says,
"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not to press
Enter key.
"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is a
solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.
"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We will
consider adding this feature in the future."
Don't press Enter!!!! Really????
================
I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit [Space] and
then [Enter].
Doesn't sound life-threatening!
Did I say it was life-threatening?
And if I don't hit Enter, how can I continue editing the document?
Hit a few returns and then up keys to get to the line, enter a lot of
underscores and then hit down.
As soon as I hit Enter/Return, the ________ changes to a Paragraph Border.
I hit 5 Enter/Returns, the 5 up arrows and typed ___________
So now I have both the underscores and the para border!
I didn't say type _________________________ and hit enter.
Obviously you can't follow directions.
Or you can't write them!

I asked how can I continue editing the document (after adding
____________)? Kingsoft says don't hit Enter.

I think you meant that if I want to have _____________ on a line, I have
to enter a bunch of blank lines first and then backtrack. Let me try that.

I see. You need only two Enters and one up arrow. For example, if I want

Name: _____________________________

I have to type

Name: [ENTER]
[ENTER]

Then move the cursor up to just after the space after Name: and now I
can enter _______________.

Somehow I think that typing

Name: _______________________________[SPACE][ENTER]

is a lot easier.

But thanks anyway.

Practice reading for comprehension. :-)
Gene E. Bloch
2014-02-10 21:21:07 UTC
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Post by Juan Wei
Post by Big Al
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Big Al
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Roger Mills
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your
line of underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border"
-- a bold black line from margin to margin!!!
Kingsoft Support says,
"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not
to press Enter key.
"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is
a solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.
"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We
will consider adding this feature in the future."
Don't press Enter!!!! Really????
================
I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit
[Space] and then [Enter].
Doesn't sound life-threatening!
Did I say it was life-threatening?
And if I don't hit Enter, how can I continue editing the
document?
Hit a few returns and then up keys to get to the line, enter a lot
of underscores and then hit down.
As soon as I hit Enter/Return, the ________ changes to a Paragraph Border.
I hit 5 Enter/Returns, the 5 up arrows and typed ___________
So now I have both the underscores and the para border!
I didn't say type _________________________ and hit enter.
Obviously you can't follow directions.
Or you can't write them!
What Big Al wrote was perfectly clear to me.
--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
Rodney Pont
2014-02-10 21:31:07 UTC
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Post by Juan Wei
Somehow I think that typing
Name: _______________________________[SPACE][ENTER]
is a lot easier.
Doesn't it do underscore?

Name: <turn underscore on>[spaces ]<underscore off>[ENTER]
--
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and built in 5 years;
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VanguardLH
2014-02-10 22:02:37 UTC
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Post by Rodney Pont
Post by Juan Wei
Somehow I think that typing
Name: _______________________________[SPACE][ENTER]
is a lot easier.
Doesn't it do underscore?
Name: <turn underscore on>[spaces ]<underscore off>[ENTER]
Apparently he wants or needs a contiguous series of underscore
*characters* instead of a bunch of underLINED space characters. If he
is using a non-monospaced (proportional) font, N underscores will be
wider than N spaces that are underlined.
Juan Wei
2014-02-11 00:36:06 UTC
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Post by VanguardLH
Post by Rodney Pont
Post by Juan Wei
Somehow I think that typing
Name: _______________________________[SPACE][ENTER]
is a lot easier.
Doesn't it do underscore?
Name: <turn underscore on>[spaces ]<underscore off>[ENTER]
Apparently he wants or needs a contiguous series of underscore
*characters* instead of a bunch of underLINED space characters. If he
is using a non-monospaced (proportional) font, N underscores will be
wider than N spaces that are underlined.
Ah. Now I see what he means. Underlined spaces would work for a form to
be printed.
Rodney Pont
2014-02-11 05:44:12 UTC
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Post by Juan Wei
Post by VanguardLH
Post by Rodney Pont
Post by Juan Wei
Somehow I think that typing
Name: _______________________________[SPACE][ENTER]
is a lot easier.
Doesn't it do underscore?
Name: <turn underscore on>[spaces ]<underscore off>[ENTER]
Apparently he wants or needs a contiguous series of underscore
*characters* instead of a bunch of underLINED space characters. If he
is using a non-monospaced (proportional) font, N underscores will be
wider than N spaces that are underlined.
Ah. Now I see what he means. Underlined spaces would work for a form to
be printed.
I used this method in the past, with Uniplex if anyone remembers that,
because underscore characters were not low enough on the line but
underlined spaces were.
--
Faster, cheaper, quieter than HS2
and built in 5 years;
UKUltraspeed <http://www.500kmh.com/>
Juan Wei
2014-02-11 00:34:44 UTC
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Post by Rodney Pont
Post by Juan Wei
Somehow I think that typing
Name: _______________________________[SPACE][ENTER]
is a lot easier.
Doesn't it do underscore?
Name: <turn underscore on>[spaces ]<underscore off>[ENTER]
How do you turn underscore on?
Rodney Pont
2014-02-11 05:46:21 UTC
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Post by Juan Wei
Post by Rodney Pont
Post by Juan Wei
Somehow I think that typing
Name: _______________________________[SPACE][ENTER]
is a lot easier.
Doesn't it do underscore?
Name: <turn underscore on>[spaces ]<underscore off>[ENTER]
How do you turn underscore on?
Since I don't have Kingsoft Office I don't know.
--
Faster, cheaper, quieter than HS2
and built in 5 years;
UKUltraspeed <http://www.500kmh.com/>
BillW50
2014-02-11 12:27:03 UTC
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Post by Rodney Pont
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Rodney Pont
Post by Juan Wei
Somehow I think that typing
Name: _______________________________[SPACE][ENTER]
is a lot easier.
Doesn't it do underscore?
Name: <turn underscore on>[spaces ]<underscore off>[ENTER]
How do you turn underscore on?
Since I don't have Kingsoft Office I don't know.
Like most word processors, CTRL-U is the toggle.
--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1
VanguardLH
2014-02-11 12:58:35 UTC
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Post by Rodney Pont
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Rodney Pont
Doesn't it do underscore?
Name: <turn underscore on>[spaces ]<underscore off>[ENTER]
How do you turn underscore on?
Since I don't have Kingsoft Office I don't know.
"Underscore on" (or off) really should've been stated as underline mode.

Since Kingsoft and other MS Office alternatives attempt to emulate the
GUI of the pre-2007 versions of MS Office, my guess it is just like
other shortcut keys for formatting:

Ctrl+B = bold on/off
Ctrl+I = italics on/off
Ctrl+U = underline on/off

Or use the limited set of toolbar buttons for the most common text
formatting controls (which include the above 3 since they're most used).

I could go look and tell the page in the online copy of their manual for
Writer 2012 but Juan already has the help file in which he can search on
"underline" or just look at the toolbar buttons. Plus I don't know if
Juan configured Writer to use the classic or ribbon-like GUI.
BillW50
2014-02-11 13:19:44 UTC
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Post by VanguardLH
Post by Rodney Pont
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Rodney Pont
Doesn't it do underscore?
Name: <turn underscore on>[spaces ]<underscore off>[ENTER]
How do you turn underscore on?
Since I don't have Kingsoft Office I don't know.
"Underscore on" (or off) really should've been stated as underline mode.
Since Kingsoft and other MS Office alternatives attempt to emulate the
GUI of the pre-2007 versions of MS Office, my guess it is just like
Ctrl+B = bold on/off
Ctrl+I = italics on/off
Ctrl+U = underline on/off
Or use the limited set of toolbar buttons for the most common text
formatting controls (which include the above 3 since they're most used).
I could go look and tell the page in the online copy of their manual for
Writer 2012 but Juan already has the help file in which he can search on
"underline" or just look at the toolbar buttons. Plus I don't know if
Juan configured Writer to use the classic or ribbon-like GUI.
Did you notice how many different types of underline you can use under
Kingsoft Writer? There is eight of them, plus color choices, and more.
Although Word has about 16 different ones, colors, and more. Atlantis
also has sixteen choices.
--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1
Juan Wei
2014-02-11 19:56:01 UTC
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Post by BillW50
Did you notice how many different types of underline you can use under
Kingsoft Writer? There is eight of them, plus color choices, and more.
Although Word has about 16 different ones, colors, and more. Atlantis
also has sixteen choices.
Wow! Who would need so many???
Juan Wei
2014-02-11 19:54:35 UTC
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Post by VanguardLH
I could go look and tell the page in the online copy of their manual for
Writer 2012 but Juan already has the help file in which he can search on
"underline" or just look at the toolbar buttons. Plus I don't know if
Juan configured Writer to use the classic or ribbon-like GUI.
There's no help file; just online help. help.kingsoftstore.com Not the
obvious place!!
Big Al
2014-02-10 21:35:37 UTC
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Post by Juan Wei
Post by Big Al
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Big Al
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Roger Mills
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
Kingsoft Support says,
"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not to press
Enter key.
"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is a
solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.
"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We will
consider adding this feature in the future."
Don't press Enter!!!! Really????
================
I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit [Space] and
then [Enter].
Doesn't sound life-threatening!
Did I say it was life-threatening?
And if I don't hit Enter, how can I continue editing the document?
Hit a few returns and then up keys to get to the line, enter a lot of
underscores and then hit down.
As soon as I hit Enter/Return, the ________ changes to a Paragraph Border.
I hit 5 Enter/Returns, the 5 up arrows and typed ___________
So now I have both the underscores and the para border!
I didn't say type _________________________ and hit enter.
Obviously you can't follow directions.
Or you can't write them!
I asked how can I continue editing the document (after adding
____________)? Kingsoft says don't hit Enter.
I think you meant that if I want to have _____________ on a line, I have
to enter a bunch of blank lines first and then backtrack. Let me try that.
I see. You need only two Enters and one up arrow. For example, if I want
Name: _____________________________
I have to type
Name: [ENTER]
[ENTER]
Then move the cursor up to just after the space after Name: and now I
can enter _______________.
Somehow I think that typing
Name: _______________________________[SPACE][ENTER]
is a lot easier.
But thanks anyway.
Practice reading for comprehension. :-)
I agree, the space is much simpler.
VanguardLH
2014-02-10 22:00:01 UTC
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Sounds like Al said (or meant to say) to hit Enter to add some lines
into your document. Then use the arrow keys to navigate back to one of
those line. INSERT the number of underscores you want but do NOT hit
the Enter key. Since there are more lines in your document past the one
where you inserted a bunch of underscores, you can use the down arrow
key (instead of the Enter key) to get at the following line.

<sometext>
<Enter>
<Enter>
<Enter>

Then use the Up arrow key to 1st <Enter> line. Insert the underscores:

<sometext>
_________________________<Enter>
<Enter>
<Enter>

The newline or linebreak will get pushed out as you enter the
underscores. You insert the underscores you are not hitting the Enter
key (again) after them.

Once you inserted the underscores in the blank placeholder line, do not
hit the Enter key and instead use the Down arrow key to move to one of
the following placeholder lines.
Mike Barnes
2014-02-10 19:53:14 UTC
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Post by Juan Wei
Post by Roger Mills
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
Kingsoft Support says,
"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not to press
Enter key.
"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is a
solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.
"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We will
consider adding this feature in the future."
Don't press Enter!!!! Really????
================
I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit [Space] and
then [Enter].
Doesn't sound life-threatening!
Did I say it was life-threatening?
And if I don't hit Enter, how can I continue editing the document?
I suspect you're making a mountain out of a molehill. "Large flaw"? I
don't think so.

You could simply type a space after the last underscore and before the
enter key. If having the space there bothers you, remove it (e.g.
left-arrow backspace right-arrow). On a scale of one to ten for
inconvenient workarounds, I'd score it at 1.5 maximum, unless there's
something you're not telling us.
--
Mike Barnes
Juan Wei
2014-02-10 20:37:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Roger Mills
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
Kingsoft Support says,
"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not to press
Enter key.
"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is a
solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.
"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We will
consider adding this feature in the future."
Don't press Enter!!!! Really????
================
I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit [Space] and
then [Enter].
Doesn't sound life-threatening!
Did I say it was life-threatening?
And if I don't hit Enter, how can I continue editing the document?
I suspect you're making a mountain out of a molehill. "Large flaw"? I
don't think so.
You could simply type a space after the last underscore and before the
enter key.
Scroll back to just below the ================
Post by Mike Barnes
If having the space there bothers you, remove it (e.g.
left-arrow backspace right-arrow). On a scale of one to ten for
inconvenient workarounds, I'd score it at 1.5 maximum, unless there's
something you're not telling us.
At my age, every trick I have to remember rates at least a 6. :-)

I think it's unconscionable that any program does something
automatically that you cannot reconfigure.
Mike Barnes
2014-02-10 20:55:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Roger Mills
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
Kingsoft Support says,
"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not to press
Enter key.
"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is a
solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.
"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We will
consider adding this feature in the future."
Don't press Enter!!!! Really????
================
I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit [Space] and
then [Enter].
Doesn't sound life-threatening!
Did I say it was life-threatening?
And if I don't hit Enter, how can I continue editing the document?
I suspect you're making a mountain out of a molehill. "Large flaw"? I
don't think so.
You could simply type a space after the last underscore and before the
enter key.
Scroll back to just below the ================
Yes, it's badly expressed to the point of being Just Plain Wrong, but a
little bit of ingenuity goes a long way.
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Mike Barnes
If having the space there bothers you, remove it (e.g.
left-arrow backspace right-arrow). On a scale of one to ten for
inconvenient workarounds, I'd score it at 1.5 maximum, unless there's
something you're not telling us.
At my age, every trick I have to remember rates at least a 6. :-)
I don't know how old that is but FWIW I'm in my late 60s.
Post by Juan Wei
I think it's unconscionable that any program does something
automatically that you cannot reconfigure.
It's a bug. Most programs have them.
--
Mike Barnes
Mike Barnes
2014-02-10 23:09:32 UTC
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Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Roger Mills
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
Kingsoft Support says,
"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not to press
Enter key.
"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is a
solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.
"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We will
consider adding this feature in the future."
Don't press Enter!!!! Really????
================
I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit [Space] and
then [Enter].
Doesn't sound life-threatening!
Did I say it was life-threatening?
And if I don't hit Enter, how can I continue editing the document?
I suspect you're making a mountain out of a molehill. "Large flaw"? I
don't think so.
You could simply type a space after the last underscore and before the
enter key.
Scroll back to just below the ================
Yes, it's badly expressed to the point of being Just Plain Wrong, but a
little bit of ingenuity goes a long way.
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Mike Barnes
If having the space there bothers you, remove it (e.g.
left-arrow backspace right-arrow). On a scale of one to ten for
inconvenient workarounds, I'd score it at 1.5 maximum, unless there's
something you're not telling us.
At my age, every trick I have to remember rates at least a 6. :-)
I don't know how old that is but FWIW I'm in my late 60s.
Post by Juan Wei
I think it's unconscionable that any program does something
automatically that you cannot reconfigure.
It's a bug. Most programs have them.
[Following up my own posting]

Another thing to try is, when the program has turned your underscores
into a horizontal line, an "undo" operation might reverse it. Press
Ctrl+Z and see what happens.
--
Mike Barnes
Juan Wei
2014-02-11 00:37:20 UTC
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Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Mike Barnes
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Roger Mills
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
Kingsoft Support says,
"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not to press
Enter key.
"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is a
solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.
"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We will
consider adding this feature in the future."
Don't press Enter!!!! Really????
================
I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit [Space] and
then [Enter].
Doesn't sound life-threatening!
Did I say it was life-threatening?
And if I don't hit Enter, how can I continue editing the document?
I suspect you're making a mountain out of a molehill. "Large flaw"? I
don't think so.
You could simply type a space after the last underscore and before the
enter key.
Scroll back to just below the ================
Yes, it's badly expressed to the point of being Just Plain Wrong, but a
little bit of ingenuity goes a long way.
Post by Juan Wei
Post by Mike Barnes
If having the space there bothers you, remove it (e.g.
left-arrow backspace right-arrow). On a scale of one to ten for
inconvenient workarounds, I'd score it at 1.5 maximum, unless there's
something you're not telling us.
At my age, every trick I have to remember rates at least a 6. :-)
I don't know how old that is but FWIW I'm in my late 60s.
Post by Juan Wei
I think it's unconscionable that any program does something
automatically that you cannot reconfigure.
It's a bug. Most programs have them.
[Following up my own posting]
Another thing to try is, when the program has turned your underscores
into a horizontal line, an "undo" operation might reverse it. Press
Ctrl+Z and see what happens.
Did that. Nothing.
VinnyB
2014-02-10 20:42:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
Request a refund.
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Jeff Layman
2014-02-10 20:53:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
Kingsoft Support says,
"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not to press
Enter key.
"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is a
solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.
"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We will
consider adding this feature in the future."
Don't press Enter!!!! Really????
================
I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit [Space] and
then [Enter].
What version are you using? I tried this with my old Kingsoft Writer
8.1.0.3019 and couldn't replicate what you found.
--
Jeff
BillW50
2014-02-10 21:57:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold
black line from margin to margin!!!
Kingsoft Support says,
"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not to
press Enter key.
"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is a
solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.
"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We will
consider adding this feature in the future."
Don't press Enter!!!! Really????
================
I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit [Space]
and then [Enter].
What version are you using? I tried this with my old Kingsoft Writer
8.1.0.3019 and couldn't replicate what you found.
I couldn't replicate it either. Mine is 8.1.0.3020 which I downloaded in
January of 2012.
--
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Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows Live Mail 2009 v14
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1
Juan Wei
2014-02-11 00:38:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff Layman
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
Kingsoft Support says,
"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not to press
Enter key.
"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is a
solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.
"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We will
consider adding this feature in the future."
Don't press Enter!!!! Really????
================
I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit [Space] and
then [Enter].
What version are you using? I tried this with my old Kingsoft Writer
8.1.0.3019 and couldn't replicate what you found.
9.1.something
VanguardLH
2014-02-10 21:53:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
Kingsoft Support says,
"[T]he temporary workaround for this underline problem is not to press
Enter key.
"I have forwarded this problem to developers to see if there is a
solution. When I get a reply, I will inform you.
"Sorry that we do not support set 'no border' as default. We will
consider adding this feature in the future."
Don't press Enter!!!! Really????
================
I did find a workaround. Type your line of underscores. Hit [Space] and
then [Enter].
My aunt has Kingsoft Office Suite 2013. You never mentioned WHICH
version you are using. So it is after inputting exactly 25 underscores
that you get a horizontal rule HR line (what I suspect you are really
getting)? Or do you get a HR line after entering only 2 or 5
underscores and hitting the Enter key? What if you hit the Ctrl+Enter
key after the requisite number of underscores?

I haven't use Kingsoft much so I don't recall if it has auto-correct.
If it does have auto-correct, did you check if some number of contiguous
underscores equates to a HR line?

In MS Word 2010 (and probably earlier versions), the following
auto-correct settings are defaults:

--- (3 dashes) = horizontal rule line
___ (3 underscores) = ______________________________ (30 underscores)

I can see the Options dialog in their online manual (for the 2012
version) and that it has a Spelling tab but they don't show the contents
of that tab panel so I can't tell if Kingsoft has an auto-correct
feature or not. From some forum posts, auto-correct might be under the
Edit tab yet the auto-correct settings there don't show a preset list
and those the user can add to will insert replacement strings.

I did see in the 2012 online manual in the Options -> Edit tab there is
a setting for:

Use smart paragraph selection

Have you tried with this option toggled (if enabled by default then
disable and retest).

Twould be a pity if Kingsoft Office Suite 2013 (free) doesn't have a
full fleged auto-correct feature. It's very handy for typing in a
series of characters to get automatically replaced with a special
character or another string (with the option to hit the Backspace key if
you don't want an auto-corrected string).

Softmaker's FreeOffice says it has a "SmartText" feature to replace
strings with another, like replacing "asap" with "as soon as possible".
Alas, Softmaker's site is extremely terse and their support is minimal.
They don't provide an online or downloadable copy of the product manual
so I can't check if their SmartText feature has a lookup table that you
could modify or add your own auto-correct (aka automatic replace)
strings.
Juan Wei
2014-02-11 00:45:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by VanguardLH
My aunt has Kingsoft Office Suite 2013. You never mentioned WHICH
version you are using.
9.1.0.4480
Post by VanguardLH
So it is after inputting exactly 25 underscores
that you get a horizontal rule HR line (what I suspect you are really
getting)? Or do you get a HR line after entering only 2 or 5
underscores and hitting the Enter key? What if you hit the Ctrl+Enter
key after the requisite number of underscores?
Even just one underscore becomes the bold black line. (Not sure whether
it is an HR or a paragraph border).
Post by VanguardLH
I haven't use Kingsoft much so I don't recall if it has auto-correct.
If it does have auto-correct, did you check if some number of contiguous
underscores equates to a HR line?
Writer > Tools > Options

Nothing about HRs.
Post by VanguardLH
I did see in the 2012 online manual in the Options -> Edit tab there is
Use smart paragraph selection
Have you tried with this option toggled (if enabled by default then
disable and retest).
I just tried checking that and it doesn't seem to make a lasting difference.

I think that I'll just use "add a space before hitting Enter" approach.

Thanks, everyone, for your suggestions.
VanguardLH
2014-02-11 01:15:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Juan Wei
Post by VanguardLH
So it is after inputting exactly 25 underscores
that you get a horizontal rule HR line (what I suspect you are really
getting)? Or do you get a HR line after entering only 2 or 5
underscores and hitting the Enter key? What if you hit the Ctrl+Enter
key after the requisite number of underscores?
Even just one underscore becomes the bold black line. (Not sure whether
it is an HR or a paragraph border).
Sure looks like a glaring and rather ridiculous bug. A single
underscore followed by a newline should not be equated to a horizontal
rule or paragraph marker or anything other than just a single
underscore. Odd that no one has reported this bug to them before.
Juan Wei
2014-02-11 01:21:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by VanguardLH
Post by Juan Wei
Post by VanguardLH
So it is after inputting exactly 25 underscores
that you get a horizontal rule HR line (what I suspect you are really
getting)? Or do you get a HR line after entering only 2 or 5
underscores and hitting the Enter key? What if you hit the Ctrl+Enter
key after the requisite number of underscores?
Even just one underscore becomes the bold black line. (Not sure whether
it is an HR or a paragraph border).
Sure looks like a glaring and rather ridiculous bug. A single
underscore followed by a newline should not be equated to a horizontal
rule or paragraph marker or anything other than just a single
underscore. Odd that no one has reported this bug to them before.
Can you see a list of what reports have been made?
Brian Gregory
2014-02-11 01:50:04 UTC
Permalink
What's the attraction of Kingsoft Office over something free like
OpenOffice.org or LIbreOffice ?
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To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address.
Big Al
2014-02-11 02:40:12 UTC
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Post by Brian Gregory
What's the attraction of Kingsoft Office over something free like
OpenOffice.org or LIbreOffice ?
Look and feel for one. I didn't like Open Office. But here again,
it could be just as simple as the first one that grabs you fancy.
(Whatever that "fancy" is).

They're all free so it ain't money!!
Silver Slimer
2014-02-11 02:45:13 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 20:50:04 -0500, Brian Gregory
Post by Brian Gregory
What's the attraction of Kingsoft Office over something free like
OpenOffice.org or LIbreOffice ?
Faster load times, features which actually work.
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Jeff Layman
2014-02-11 11:00:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Gregory
What's the attraction of Kingsoft Office over something free like
OpenOffice.org or LIbreOffice ?
Kingsoft Writer appears almost identical to Word before the accursed
Ribbon appeared. And, unlike Microsoft, Kingsoft gives you the option
of using it or the classic layout. It is a simple matter of toggling
between the two to use whichever you prefer.

There are some fairly important omissions in the free version, though.
No labels and envelopes, no thesaurus, no macros.
--
Jeff
BillW50
2014-02-11 12:48:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff Layman
Post by Brian Gregory
What's the attraction of Kingsoft Office over something free like
OpenOffice.org or LIbreOffice ?
Kingsoft Writer appears almost identical to Word before the accursed
Ribbon appeared. And, unlike Microsoft, Kingsoft gives you the option
of using it or the classic layout. It is a simple matter of toggling
between the two to use whichever you prefer.
There are some fairly important omissions in the free version, though.
No labels and envelopes, no thesaurus, no macros.
What? I don't have any of those and this is supposed to be the Pro version!

Wait a minute! I have so many computers, maybe the Pro version is on
another machine. And I threw a free one on this machine to save money.
Now which machine would I install it on?
--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v24.3.0
Centrino Core2 Duo T7400 2.16 GHz - 4GB - Windows 7 Home SP1
Jeff Layman
2014-02-11 18:15:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by BillW50
Post by Jeff Layman
Post by Brian Gregory
What's the attraction of Kingsoft Office over something free like
OpenOffice.org or LIbreOffice ?
Kingsoft Writer appears almost identical to Word before the accursed
Ribbon appeared. And, unlike Microsoft, Kingsoft gives you the option
of using it or the classic layout. It is a simple matter of toggling
between the two to use whichever you prefer.
There are some fairly important omissions in the free version, though.
No labels and envelopes, no thesaurus, no macros.
What? I don't have any of those and this is supposed to be the Pro version!
Wait a minute! I have so many computers, maybe the Pro version is on
another machine. And I threw a free one on this machine to save money.
Now which machine would I install it on?
http://www.ksosoft.com/product/compare
http://www.ksosoft.com/office/222-kingsoft-office-free-vs-openoffice-4.html
--
Jeff
VanguardLH
2014-02-11 12:49:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Gregory
What's the attraction of Kingsoft Office over something free like
OpenOffice.org or LIbreOffice ?
For one, it loads/opens a hell of a lot faster. While Open/LibreOffice
have slowly improved their load time, it is still slow. If you leave
the program loaded all the time then you won't noticed the load time but
who leave a word processor open all the time? I also don't leave
hanging in the background processes that are running all the time in
trying to compensate for a slow-loading program. I have better uses for
my system memory. Even what users consider a bloated suite with MS
Office loads much faster than Open/LibreOffice.

I wish I could remember the function that I was trying to accomplish in
OpenOffice (can't search Google Groups anymore since Google destroyed
its searchs for that Usenet archive) but required a rather ridiculous
workaround. It was doable but clumsy and non-intuitive (I had to
research how others did it). In MS Office and Kingsoft, it was a menu
entry so easy to do.

Kingsoft Office has a GUI far more reminiscent to Office 2003 than
Open/LibreOffice who decided to go their own way with what they thought
was a good GUI. If you're used to using pre-2007 versions of Windows
then Kingsoft is familiar. You don't spend a lot of time trying to
learn the program versus actually using it. Even if you continue using
MS Office pre-2007, you might want to have a free program that looks
like it at home to work at home on work docs.

I have MS Office 2010 on my home PC but just recently migrated from
Office 2003. There is no bang for the buck to MS Office 2010 for me but
I got it free as an OEM version that came on a used computer that I got
for free because it was broke and I had to fix it (replace PSU, use
software to override a bad thermal sensor, replace the video card,
replace CD/DVD_RW drive that could no longer read DVDs, and replace a
dead hard disk). I got Windows 7 and MS Office 2010 as OEMs with the
hardware. Yet I've use pre-2007 versions of MS Office for a long time
and need to get work done, not waste time trying to find the same
features somewhere else in the GUI. Instead of losing all of what MS
Office could do, I installed the add-on to give me back the classic
menus. If I spend more than 5 seconds clicking around the ribbon (seems
like I click a lot more with the ribbon than with menus), I use the
classic menus (http://addintools.com/office2010/menutoolbar/index.html,
free only for the Home & Student edition which I have). Because I
didn't care to spend more money for licenses of MS Office but wanted a
similar GUI, I put Kingsoft on my laptop. My sister's kids computer
broke so I sent them my laptop and the kids, who were used to MS Office
XP, were using Kingsoft immediately. No learning curve. My aunt, who
is MS Office certified, wanted something on her laptop and netbook but
wasn't going to buy more MS Office licenses. She was up to speed on
Kingsoft in half an hour (mostly because she wanted to play around with
the program) and said it does everything she needs to do at home (she's
retired).

I haven't played with Softmaker's FreeOffice to know how similar or
dissimilar is its GUI to pre-2007 versions of MS Office but it does look
to have a few more features than Kingsoft's Office. If I get some time
and the inclination, I'll play with FreeOffice to see if is is any
better. There is not much difference between the freeware and payware
versions of Kingsoft hence not a lot of impetus by its users to upgrade
to the payware version. Not a lot of end users care about macros
(http://kingsoftstore.com/windows/professional-office-difference) in
trying to make one product work like it's something else, like making
Word into an accounting & inventory system frontend. Most of what I've
seen written for macros by end users is for convenience. FreeOffice, on
the other hand, has enough additional features in the payware versions
(http://www.softmaker.net/down/officecomparison_en.pdf) that its
freeware users may get lured into buying the payware version.

I trialed OpenOffice and LibreOffice. I didn't care for them. For a
freebie, I went with Kingsoft on my other hosts. So I looked at both
and chose Kingsoft. Have you trialed more than just Open/LibreOffice to
know for yourself that your initial and limited choice of Open/Libre
Office was the right one for you? No, I'm not done trialing
alternatives to MS Office but, at least, I have trialed a few and not
just stuck on the first one that gotten bigger publicity.
Silver Slimer
2014-02-11 15:48:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by VanguardLH
Post by Brian Gregory
What's the attraction of Kingsoft Office over something free like
OpenOffice.org or LIbreOffice ?
For one, it loads/opens a hell of a lot faster. While Open/LibreOffice
have slowly improved their load time, it is still slow. If you leave
the program loaded all the time then you won't noticed the load time but
who leave a word processor open all the time? I also don't leave
hanging in the background processes that are running all the time in
trying to compensate for a slow-loading program. I have better uses for
my system memory. Even what users consider a bloated suite with MS
Office loads much faster than Open/LibreOffice.
I wish I could remember the function that I was trying to accomplish in
OpenOffice (can't search Google Groups anymore since Google destroyed
its searchs for that Usenet archive) but required a rather ridiculous
workaround. It was doable but clumsy and non-intuitive (I had to
research how others did it). In MS Office and Kingsoft, it was a menu
entry so easy to do.
Kingsoft Office has a GUI far more reminiscent to Office 2003 than
Open/LibreOffice who decided to go their own way with what they thought
was a good GUI. If you're used to using pre-2007 versions of Windows
then Kingsoft is familiar. You don't spend a lot of time trying to
learn the program versus actually using it. Even if you continue using
MS Office pre-2007, you might want to have a free program that looks
like it at home to work at home on work docs.
I have MS Office 2010 on my home PC but just recently migrated from
Office 2003. There is no bang for the buck to MS Office 2010 for me but
I got it free as an OEM version that came on a used computer that I got
for free because it was broke and I had to fix it (replace PSU, use
software to override a bad thermal sensor, replace the video card,
replace CD/DVD_RW drive that could no longer read DVDs, and replace a
dead hard disk). I got Windows 7 and MS Office 2010 as OEMs with the
hardware. Yet I've use pre-2007 versions of MS Office for a long time
and need to get work done, not waste time trying to find the same
features somewhere else in the GUI. Instead of losing all of what MS
Office could do, I installed the add-on to give me back the classic
menus. If I spend more than 5 seconds clicking around the ribbon (seems
like I click a lot more with the ribbon than with menus), I use the
classic menus (http://addintools.com/office2010/menutoolbar/index.html,
free only for the Home & Student edition which I have). Because I
didn't care to spend more money for licenses of MS Office but wanted a
similar GUI, I put Kingsoft on my laptop. My sister's kids computer
broke so I sent them my laptop and the kids, who were used to MS Office
XP, were using Kingsoft immediately. No learning curve. My aunt, who
is MS Office certified, wanted something on her laptop and netbook but
wasn't going to buy more MS Office licenses. She was up to speed on
Kingsoft in half an hour (mostly because she wanted to play around with
the program) and said it does everything she needs to do at home (she's
retired).
I haven't played with Softmaker's FreeOffice to know how similar or
dissimilar is its GUI to pre-2007 versions of MS Office but it does look
to have a few more features than Kingsoft's Office. If I get some time
and the inclination, I'll play with FreeOffice to see if is is any
better. There is not much difference between the freeware and payware
versions of Kingsoft hence not a lot of impetus by its users to upgrade
to the payware version. Not a lot of end users care about macros
(http://kingsoftstore.com/windows/professional-office-difference) in
trying to make one product work like it's something else, like making
Word into an accounting & inventory system frontend. Most of what I've
seen written for macros by end users is for convenience. FreeOffice, on
the other hand, has enough additional features in the payware versions
(http://www.softmaker.net/down/officecomparison_en.pdf) that its
freeware users may get lured into buying the payware version.
I trialed OpenOffice and LibreOffice. I didn't care for them. For a
freebie, I went with Kingsoft on my other hosts. So I looked at both
and chose Kingsoft. Have you trialed more than just Open/LibreOffice to
know for yourself that your initial and limited choice of Open/Libre
Office was the right one for you? No, I'm not done trialing
alternatives to MS Office but, at least, I have trialed a few and not
just stuck on the first one that gotten bigger publicity.
I like Kingsoft and Softmaker's approach to their product. They give it to
you for free, all of the features you'd need are there, you get a good
feel of how the product is and if you choose to, you can upgrade and get
additional features. That's unbelievably fair and encourages people with
the means to do so to actually pay for the software. It's one of my gripes
with open-source: the free program essentially has everything the program
will EVER have so there is truly no 'reward' for donating to the project.
Open-source users, no matter what they say, tend not to pay for anything
OR donate so you can imagine how profitable it might be to produce an
open-source product or improve it in any kind of way.

For my taste, Softmaker is excellent. It loads fast, it has every feature
I need AND it allows me to make .ODT the default format in the word
processor (I believe in open formats). That right there is perfect and I
will indeed pay for the Standard Suite in the future to support the
developers.
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VanguardLH
2014-02-11 13:08:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Juan Wei
Post by VanguardLH
Post by Juan Wei
So it is after inputting exactly 25 underscores that you get a
horizontal rule HR line (what I suspect you are really getting)?
Or do you get a HR line after entering only 2 or 5 underscores and
hitting the Enter key?
Even just one underscore becomes the bold black line. (Not sure
whether it is an HR or a paragraph border).
Sure looks like a glaring and rather ridiculous bug. A single
underscore followed by a newline should not be equated to a
horizontal rule or paragraph marker or anything other than just a
single underscore. Odd that no one has reported this bug to them
before.
Can you see a list of what reports have been made?
Chineseware doesn't often have a publicly accessible tracking system
where you can do searches. Lots of freeware doesn't, especially when it
is not open sourced.

The 2 ways I see to find out about past or existing bugs or deficiencies
with Kingsoft's software is to e-mail them a report (and see what they
say in a reply) or dig through their forums. There's no shame in asking
about a bug or deficieny using either communication venue for a new user
(except forum users might prefer you search first so not to harp on a
topic that keeps getting re-asked by newbie users).

BTW: A search on "underscore" yielded no hits in their forums. Others
reported the behavior is absent in 8.x versions so it could very well be
a bug that showed in the 9.x version -- and you might be the very first
person to discover it and should report it. If you e-mail them, make
sure they issue a ticket number. Someone at a help desk acknowledging
the defect doesn't mean the developers are going to hear about it.
felmon
2014-02-11 11:03:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
actually a regular 'feature' of Apache Office and LibreOffice. I have it
turned off somehow, I believe through auto-correct, which may work in
Kingsoft.

also a ctrl-z may restore your dashes.

Felmon
Juan Wei
2014-02-11 19:48:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by felmon
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
actually a regular 'feature' of Apache Office and LibreOffice. I have it
turned off somehow, I believe through auto-correct, which may work in
Kingsoft.
KSO's autocorrect doesn't have this.
Post by felmon
also a ctrl-z may restore your dashes.
Alas, it does not.
DevilsPGD
2014-02-12 01:22:45 UTC
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Post by felmon
Post by Juan Wei
If you're a fan of Kingsoft Office, beware.
If you type _________________________ and hit [Enter], your line of
underscores will be transformed to a "paragraph border" -- a bold black
line from margin to margin!!!
actually a regular 'feature' of Apache Office and LibreOffice.
Yeah, it actually sounds like a handy and useful shortcut, to me.
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